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mdkpubs Says:
Jun 26, 2010 - @orthodoxchristian707 You do love Orthodoxy above the truth, but you're too blind to see that. You also only say that you think Catholicism is wrong, but fail to legitimately show how.Protestantism was NOT created by Catholicism, but by a REJECTION of Catholicism. Protestant ecclesial communities have in common with Orthodoxy a rejection of the full authority of God's Church as He established.What YOU believe about Orthodoxy. Instead, I have told you what God created as the Church.
mdkpubs Says:
Jun 26, 2010 - @orthodoxchristian707 I commend you on the ability to be loyal to at least the partial truth you have. It would be better if you were loyal to the full truth about the Truth (Jesus).
mdkpubs Says:
Jun 26, 2010 - @orthodoxchristian707 Yes, you say all those things, but the facts tell a different story. God built His Church on the Rock (Peter). You reject that Rock. Later, the Protestants found it easier to reject the Catholic Church based on your rejecting the Rock establshed by Christ.
mdkpubs Says:
Jun 26, 2010 - @orthodoxchristian707 Catholic Church has never had but one valid Pope at any one time. There were pretenders several times (not just once). Learn the truth about this.Crusades... what about them? What's your point? Crusades have nothing to do with teaching of faith and morals nor the Sacraments. YOU also can't judge the past by current times. Learn the truth here.Sack of Constantinople was done by wayward men. What's your point here? Has nothing to do with Church validity.
mdkpubs Says:
Jun 26, 2010 - @orthodoxchristian707 What about the Pope and Hungary? Has nothing to do with the validity of the Church, which includes the Papacy. Learn the truth here.What about the homosexuality of the Priests? It's unfaithfulness of individuals to their vows. Incidence is lower than in society in general. Learn the truth here.Purgatory is real. Learn the truth here.The Pope steals no money for "get out of jail free cards." Repent of your slander, and learn the truth here for a change.
shanana000 Says:
Jun 26, 2010 - @orthodoxchristian707 To both you and mdkbups....I have the truth, His name is Jesus...You both are blinded my man made religion that you've lost Jesus to think he's been made into a cookie. Or that you need to have a priest in order to know Christ...I have found Christ the truth the life and the way and I don't need either of your churches to have your fake "fulness of truth" you don't get any more fullness in Christ alone.
shanana000 Says:
Jun 26, 2010 - Ros. Jesus didn't come to abolish the OT...But He came to Fulfill it through Himself! Not through the RCC...He is the High Priest, He is the one that is sinless...Not your sinful mere fallible pope that has to be replaced every time one dies...Christ beat death, He is eternal! and Worthy of praise and honor....not a pope that knows of pedophile priest and hides the sins of himself and his institution.
mdkpubs Says:
Jun 26, 2010 - @orthodoxchristian707 It's the blind like you, who can't see the truth of what I'm sharing. Orthodox have a decent amount in common (much more so) than Catholics do. You both reject the Papacy. You both reject some of the doctrines of God's Catholic Church.I refuse to believe your parital truths and outright false statements, and so I'll stick with the full truth. Please do pray for me. I'm persecuted regularly by ignorant Christians who lack the full truth.
mdkpubs Says:
Jun 26, 2010 - @orthodoxchristian707 Well, you will stick with your fantasy if that makes you feel better. Jesus told the world His Church would be built on the Rock of Kepha, the man He renamed from Simon to Kepha for this purpose. Since you don't have Kepha, you are not the true Church. Protestantism has this in common with the "Orthodox' Churches, each of you reject the Rock of the Church. At least the Orthodox have valid holy orders, and respect some of the valid Councils. Thank God for that.
mdkpubs Says:
Jun 26, 2010 - @orthodoxchristian707 Even though the Catholic and Orthodox share many doctrines, you still can't see anything good, but say you love Orthodoxy. Sounds like you're lying, saying there is nothing good about Catholicism.Since you're blind, I'll tell you. Catholicism has Jesus as Head of His one Church. Catholicism has never once taught error in faith and morals, Orthodoxy does. Catholicism has the fullness of revealed truth, while Orthodoxy does not.
mdkpubs Says:
Jun 26, 2010 - @orthodoxchristian707 You say heresy. Jesus says doctrine. Easy choice for me to believe Jesus here, and everywhere.Just because you disagree, you say heresy. In fact, you can't prove any of it, and will only look like a fool trying. But, who am I to stop you if that's what you want. Prove any one heresy of the Catholic Church. That you don't like it or don't believe it does not in fact make it a heresy.
mdkpubs Says:
Jun 26, 2010 - @orthodoxchristian707 Well, since you distort the truth of Catholicism, your statement above holds no veracity on evaluating the true Church. The heresies that appeared were all dealt with. There has never been a heretical docrtrine in Catholicim, never from the start, never in 11th century, and never since, and never will be. Why? Because Christ told us this. At least I'm able to see this, and I trust Him.
mdkpubs Says:
Jun 26, 2010 - @orthodoxchristian707 What you claim says nothing about the true faith at all. We can't tell anything from what you write because it lacks both full truth, and lacks proper perspective of what even makes the true Church. Orthodoxy has the heresy of denying the primacy of Peter, a doctrine of Christ. Orthodoxy has other heresies as well. What does that say? In truth, says Orthodoxy falls just short of the true Church.
mdkpubs Says:
Jun 26, 2010 - @orthodoxchristian707 Yes, you will be able to tell people by their fruits. Some do bad things. What you fail to understand is that no amount of personal bad behavior will ever negate the valid and infallible teachings of our Lord, nor will they invalidate the Sacraments. You say that men's behaviors invalidate Christ's words. I say that they don't. The Church's fruit is never having taught error in faith and morals, ever, and never will. Orthodox doesn't measure up to that.
mdkpubs Says:
Jun 26, 2010 - @orthodoxchristian707 Well, how can we have a conversatin if you keep lying? You say the Cathoic Church makes "only war and plague the world." This is kind of stupid and lacks balance and full truth, don't you think? This is your problem overall. You are willing to accept partial truth as full truth. This is why you're Orthodox. I am not willing to accept only partial truth. This is why I'm Catholic.
mdkpubs Says:
Jun 26, 2010 - @orthodoxchristian707 I see that you know little about the Inquisition (and for the record, there was more than one), so it's not "the Inquisition", which the unedcuated anti-Catholic normally means the Spanish Inquisition. I would say you're wrong about your comparison, though. But, in each case, the Inquision and the Nazis were both run by a country, not the Church. The Church opposed in no undertain terms Naxiism. The Inquision is somethin you seem to lack understanding about as well.
mdkpubs Says:
Jun 26, 2010 - @orthodoxchristian707 You're complaining about men's behaviors and not official Church doctrines. Men's behaviors don't invalidate Church doctrines. I hope you can come to educate yourself on this. You would be smarter for it. Church doctrines show the true Church. Catholicism has never produced a false doctrine, or you don't understand Christ here. Orthodoxy has rejected some of Christ's doctrines. This is how we know the true Church.
mdkpubs Says:
Jun 26, 2010 - @orthodoxchristian707 After the Great Schism, the heresies which appeared were in the Orthodox faith. I must remind you that even though you may disagree with the Catholic doctrines, Jesus has protected them, and still does. This is why He built His one true Church on the Rock, which is the office of Prime Minister that Jesus the King teaches infallbly through. Since you lack this, you have absolutely no way of knowing the truth anymore, except what we had together before you split off.
mdkpubs Says:
Jun 26, 2010 - @orthodoxchristian707 I know you love the Orthodox Church, and that's commendable. However, if I found that the Catholic Church was not the true Church, I would leave in a millisecond. That's the difference between you and me. I love the truth about the Truth. You love Orthodoxy no matter what. You've been shown how Orthodoxy is incomplete. Simple investigation would show you that I'm correct in saying these things. Yet, you lack a love for full truth, so you remain with partial truth.
mdkpubs Says:
Jun 26, 2010 - @orthodoxchristian707 You may be idolizing your Church. The reason I say this is because you love it and embrace it above the truth. We want the truth about the Truth (Christ). Orthodoxy can't deliver that fully, but you're not alarmed by this to the point of investigating to find the truth, even after being shown the evidence by developed intellect and reason. I don't know what's in your heart, but you seem very close to idolizing your Orthodox Church instead of loving seeking Truth.
mdkpubs Says:
Jun 26, 2010 - @orthodoxchristian707 You claimed on 24 Jun that the "Catholic Church is now under the control of freemasonry", did you not? Where is your proof? You still have not provided one shred of evidence to support this wild and unfounded claim. If you have no proof, then we see once again you're exposed for lying about God's Catholic Church. You are speaking out of prejucie, and not a desire for finding the full truth above all.
orthodoxchristian707 Says:
Jun 27, 2010 - @mdkpubs I am not idolizing the Orthodox Church!But I have found that it is the True Church! And that's why I am so extreme!Maybe you don't believe me but that's other thing because I am a simple human...What have you shown me? Believe you would not convince even a child with your preach and neither do I!The only thing that we can do is to ask God for His Mercy and to help us see the truth...At least that's what I do!
mdkpubs Says:
Jun 27, 2010 - @orthodoxchristian707 Keep searching for Jesus' One True Church. You're close, but not quite there. You're very emotional about this, but really lack honest and truthful research. Therefore, you stay with partial truth, and not full truth. Jesus established the Church on the Rock of Peter. This doesn't mean Peter somehow replaces Christ. That interpretation by Protestants and Orthodox is really pretty unedicated and lacks any concurrence whatsoever from actual Catholic doctrine.
mdkpubs Says:
Jun 27, 2010 - @orthodoxchristian707 If you disobey Christ, by rejecting His Prime Minister, how much do you think that would displease God? You also denigrate Jesus' mother, by denying what God has done, and that's create Mary and save her from original sin by never having original sin. Eve had no original sin. Mary is seen as the new Eve.
mdkpubs Says:
Jun 26, 2010 - @orthodoxchristian707 Eastern Churches used to be in the fullness of God's Church, but have rejected part of it, and as a result, fail to grow and fail to address new challenges that come into the world, and deny some of God's doctrines. The Eastern Churches were corrected of early heresies by the western Church, but since 11th century, stopped listening and have developed a new heresy and failed to adopt all of God's doctrines.